Tales From The Top

Richard Brunning - Co-Founder of Bad Obsession Motorsport

Kyron Audio, Deverson Design, Lee Gray, Jayde Deverson and Richard Brunning Season 2 Episode 2

Richard Brunning is the Co-Founder of Bad Obsession Motorsport and Co-Host of the enormously successful YouTube channel of the same name.

Closing in on 50 million views, the channel takes on automotive projects with a unique style that is informative and entertaining. We chat with Richard about Project Binky, motor racing, life, music and all things Bad Obsession Motorsport.



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Richard Brunning:

Because... genuinely our fans are the best. We meet them all the time and they just so interested and so lovely. And they're so involved in it and they know even more than we do about it because once we once episode 28 is gone out, I basically forgotten it. I'm on to the next one, and they've watched it three four times.

Lee Gray:

Welcome to Tales from the top. So many are striving for success, but how do you define it? What's it really like and what happens when you get there? Join me Lee Gray, co founder of Kyron Audio creators of ultimate home music systems, and my co host Jade devasted, founder of Deverson Design creators of unique luxury environments. As we celebrate the lives and achievements of those who have dared to dream big and have reached incredible heights. We delve into what drives them now the new challenges that they face and discuss the unexpected Tales from the Top.

Jayde Deverson :

Richard Brunning is the CO creator and co host of the YouTube sensation Project Binky. He is a former UK national karting champion with many years racing experience in single seaters and GT cars racing in UK and the USA in 2013. Along with his co host and old school friend Nick Blackhurst, the pair embarked on the ambitious project of fitting a Toyota Celica GT4 running gear into an Austin Mini and creating a YouTube documentary in the process. Seven odd years later, they racked up a staggering 45,948,905 views that is, of course just of now. Bad Obsession Motorsports Project Binky is a story of mechanical genius, obsessive detail and endless possibilities. And we're thrilled to welcome him to Tales from the Top.. Richard, welcome to our show.

Richard Brunning:

Thank you very much for having me. That's quite the intro.

Jayde Deverson :

Firstly, congratulations on the success of the show. Thank you. and what is broadly acclaimed as being a refreshing change from the usual run of restoration shows that take a an incredibly dilapidated car and in three episodes turned it into a stunning showroom special. I'd like to kick off with your background and where the interesting cars came from and how you met Nick.

Richard Brunning:

Why? Well, okay, so my interest in cars can be traced back to my father. One of my earliest memories is going around to his friend's John's house on a Sunday morning. I think I was aged four this is this is this is a real dark memories past No, no, no, because I remember, Hit Me with Your Rhythm Stick by Ian Dury and the Blockheads was on the radio. There must have been 1979 So I was four. And my dad used to restore vintage commercial vehicles with John. They had loads over the years they had a 1923 Model T Ford bus. They had a nice 1936 Leyland Badger, they had a 1950 the academic Wheeler, they had all sorts of stuff. And so So I used to go on a Sunday morning with with dad and just sort of, you know, play the fool just hanging out being a kid. Yeah, yeah. And then I got into radio controlled cars. I loved building radio controlled cars love racing them. And my dad and some some of his friends or my school friends at the time. We created our own off road, 110 scale track, and a bit of bit of land that we rented. And then I moved into go karts when I was 12, but when I was 12, I met Nick at school. Right. He was he was a school friend. And we had we had a love both had a love for cars. And we both had a love for music. We have the same taste in music, same taste in cars, slightly similar tastes and girls. So that came a little later. So Nick, and I go back a very, very long way. Yeah, yeah. But yes, cars and automobiles and engines and getting oily and dirty is definitely my dad's fault.

Jayde Deverson :

Excellent. Yes, I feel like I think I've can, I will be guilty of doing the same thing my boys are. The oldest one is into cars. He has a 74 Mini. And working on that at the moment getting that back on the road for him finishing that off. And the my youngest son is deciding on what he's going to get when he drives. So it's that that process of getting kids involved at an early age can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how their budgets go and what their wives when they when they have to try and explain why they just drained the bank account. And out of those four boxes just turned up at the back of the workshop.

Richard Brunning:

It's an old one as I was racing at Silverstone a couple of weeks ago at the Silverstone Classic. Oh, and it was my it was my girls, my two I got twin seven year old girls and they there was their very first ever come to a racetrack. And it was a massive event with all the bells and whistles. And they I don't know whether they enjoyed the racing, but they love the being there. So

Jayde Deverson :

yeah, do you think you're going to get them into karting or some sort of motorsport? Or do you think that's inevitable? Are you going to try and avoid it?

Richard Brunning:

I'm not going to try to avoid it. One of them has expressed an interest in trying it. I took them to a go kart track a little while ago, on a on a just a club meeting just down the road, to get the smells and the sounds and to see if they got an interest. Because, you know, if you want to share stuff with your kids, you've sort of got to be interested in it. It's much, much better doing it that way. So if they've got an interest in it, then I'll probably pursue it. If not, then I'm not going to push them that way. And it's totally up to them. Yeah,

Lee Gray:

I remember falling in love with motorbikes going to Butlin's with my parents when we visited my family. And, you know, I was only seven years old and I was on one of those little 30 cc modes,

Richard Brunning:

I've fallen off those

Lee Gray:

Butlin's, I hadn't thought about Butlin's. Where's Butlin's?

Richard Brunning:

Oh, there's a it's a it's a sort of holiday camp. There's quite a few around the country. And we've been there. The girls absolutely loved it. Because it's, it's basic. It's set up for kids.

Lee Gray:

Well, yeah, far out. I got my first car when I was 14 as well. So I think it just, it just set you up for a love affair with with cars for your whole life, doesn't it? Once you've once you've got in there.

Richard Brunning:

Once you've once you've been bitten. There's not a lot you can do about it.

Jayde Deverson :

Know that the bug is I've definitely got the bug as well. I have been involved in restoring cars since I was about 14. And to much to my family are very enthusiastic about it. I disappear into the garage, they my wife's a shed widow, then Life's good. Life's good. So Bad Obsession Motorsport. And the idea behind Project Binky. Where did that come from? How did that all come about?

Unknown:

Cor. Two different questions. Bad Obsession Motorsport as an entity was dreamed up. I think it was 94. There's a photo of me racing a formula voxel Jr. Yep. back years and years ago with Jim Russell racing. I think he was at Donington Park. And that was the very first time we'd ever put a sticker on a car with Bad Obsession Motorsport. It was in script. And it was, you know, we were we were 19 years old. Yeah. The Bad Obsession comes from with massive Guns and Roses fans, right so Bad Obsession is alright, one of the is a track off one of their albums. And it's just a joy. And we just named it that. But so Bad Obsession Motorsport was was, was essentially it was a way for the two of us to get trade tickets to go to the Autosport International Show. Yes, that's how it started, in all honesty. And then we, we did our own thing, job wise. I moved to the States in 99. And then came back in 2003. Nick was rallying, I ended up sitting next to him as then you're racing over the US at that time, I presume? Yeah. And then come come back and then sit next to him as a navigator. Because I was the only one one of the only ones stupid enough to to actually, you know, sit next to him. No. We did well, but that was that was kind of fun. But the mini came about a Nick had done a couple of conversions for people he'd done. He'd built what's called the mixo. So for for our friend Tony, who did the painting on the car by the way Tony's Yes, he did a nice job. And he was he he put a Citroen Saxo running gear in

Jayde Deverson :

Citroen, Saxo if you could tell our viewers and that's code for I'm not sure what that is. What the Citroen Saxo is

Unknown:

a Citroen, Saxo VTS, so it's a little front wheel drive, sort of city car. So one point three liter or something like that. 1600 But 100 and 100 Horse 120 Horse then they were it's it's respectable. Yeah, it was quite quite a nice little thing. And they got really well, you know, this, Saxo themselves are way less than a packet of crisps. So they do they do quite quite well. Um, so he basically transplanted all of it, including the disk brake rear end and everything. And it was a really nice conversion but looked just like a mini No, no difference. They had a flip front, which was not brilliant. That wasn't one of the next Nick did all the subframe and all that sort of stuff. The bodywork was done by somebody else. But that was terrific. And then he also did a turbo conversion or a mini, but the Metro turbo engine conversion and the Mini and those two people both said they had the best Mini and Nick disagreed. And he said, Well, no, that's definitely not the best mini I can do the best mini. Meanwhile, while he was going to work one day, a bus decided to park in the back of him in his car, he was turning right into his into his place of work off the main road and bus smashed in the back of his Toyota Celica GT four.

Jayde Deverson :

So turned a four meter long Celica into a 3.5 meter long Celica

Unknown:

probably closer to three meters. The the rear bumper, the front bumper of the bus was was basically to the back seat to the to the front, the back of the front seats, and Nick was Wow, quite badly hurt. But that wrote that car off. Now Nick being Nick, he repaired it, bought it back after it was written off, repaired it and put it back on the road. But it wasn't brilliant. So meanwhile, another friend of ours gave us a mini the white one that you saw, which ended up being Binky. So Jack Daniels one night, we decided it might be quite fun to try and put one inside the other. And that's how project Binky started as a concept.

Jayde Deverson :

Right? Jack Daniels? Curse the Jack Daniels? Would you do it again?

Richard Brunning:

God no. No, not not to this extent. I mean, it's the it's and there will never be and no matter what we do from now on, there won't be a project as difficult and as complex as this one.

Jayde Deverson :

Well, I think you've set the stage. Clearly you've set the stage and you've told the world look what we can do.

Richard Brunning:

Well, look what you can do not us. Well, I mean, we okay, we're doing it. But it's just the whole point is that if you, you if you go about it a methodical way you can do it, too. Yeah, it's not we're trying desperately not to say, Well, look, this is how you do it. This is how you do it. We actually try and this is how we do it. Yeah. You're you know, other other ways are possible.

Jayde Deverson :

And what's really good about the way you've done it is that you don't have ultra high end machinery. You're doing it when I think there are a lot of lot of backyard mechanics now who have given it a go. And I'm hoping that they can all still count 10 digits between two hands. Using a four inch grinder to to

Lee Gray:

It's like the third person on the show. the Grinder. Yeah. Yeah, it's

Richard Brunning:

never too far away. The grinders have changed over the years, but they're still grinders. At that point, we've we've got a nice we've, you know, you can't see most of the shed thankfully, yeah. But the bits that you show you they literally are what you see, there's nothing special about any of it. We were very, very lucky to get old live SIP onboard, and they sponsored us with a ton of stuff. Yeah. But it's all standard stuff. It's none of it's particularly high end. I don't mean that disparagingly what I mean, it's not out of the way.

Jayde Deverson :

Yeah, it's affordable mid range machinery that it's machinery that you could you could you could probably argue that you really needed to have it when discussing that with your, with your better half deciding that I need this in the workshop. And once I finish I can I can go and make a couple of other things and pay for itself. And and you could do self into thinking that that's what No, of course I don't do that. I've never done

Richard Brunning:

no, no, no, no, no, you wouldn't that would be bad. That's right. But yes, we try. And we try and bring it as brilliant as my colleague is, we try and show how you can do it. And if you keep practicing, because that's we're both self taught essentially. None of it was was it's so so we taught ourselves by getting it wrong. Yes. Yeah. So we try to get permission people to get it wrong. And we show you when we

Lee Gray:

Yeah. Yes, the honesty of the show, which makes it so get it wrong. wonderful. I mean, let's just this one of the incredible elements that they're all all very subtle, and even when you're talking about your tools, and I love the way that you bring in, like the Digi plas spirit level. I mean, how that takes off, you know, make the noise.

Richard Brunning:

That's the craziest thing Lee. it was. It was a throwaway comment when I was writing the script, to that particular one and there was a get went to and I looked at it, and I was it was, as it was, it was in the editing software. As I was doing it. It went to zero and there was this great big pause before it like big If I sat down, I would make the noise. And and that's how that phrase came about.

Lee Gray:

Has Digiplas come to you? You're kidding?

Richard Brunning:

They have no idea?

Lee Gray:

Oh, you lifted

Jayde Deverson :

the increase of sales in, in tea bags and digestive biscuits and machines that make special noises, getting 1% of the potential market for four and a half million

Richard Brunning:

read an agent. Jay, we need an agent because none of that is we're just two bell ends from with a selection of

Lee Gray:

are you aware of how popular it is? Is that you got a good sense of

Richard Brunning:

it. It's hard to say. We went to the stock rally Festival last year last year with the mini. And yeah, it was, it was crazy. It was crazy. The amount of people who came to see us and we're doing again this year, we're still taking the Mini, it's slightly less finished than it was last year. Which you know, for reasons that will become apparent. But, you know, hey, let these things happen this is Bad Obssession No, I It's a constant source of amazement Lee. I can't tell you Motorsport.. how odd it is for just some just normal bloke to be walking around Azdur and then people just grabbing you while you're doing your shopping.

Lee Gray:

Yeah, we'll wait. We'll be chatting about it over barbecues. Yeah. I was at a mate's two months ago, having a barbecue? And you came up? It's like, oh, have you seen Project Binky? Are you kidding? I've watched it twice?

Richard Brunning:

And what the hell are they doing? We get lots of abuse.

Lee Gray:

How do you how do you go with? How do you go with that? Because I read through all the comments and stuff. And, you know, most of it is, you know, when's it coming? It's like people waiting for , Tolkien's next bookoke. Yeah. It but you know, all these things that are wonderful can't be rushed.

Richard Brunning:

it's just really hard copy, which is really hard, because nobody is more acutely aware of the need to get this thing finished. And the want and the desire for people to see it finished and your wives be quite absolutely very much. But we've been taken out of our comfort zone, if you want to know what the story with the current delay is, then, up until this point, most of what we've done has been relatively comfortable for us. It's, it's most of it is has been stuff that we can do. Now, when it came to the, to the instruments, what we should have been able to do and what we tried to do, in all honesty genuinely tried to do we got a hold of Smith's. And we said can you make us a set of matching gauges in your classic range for a mini one of which needs to be a boost gauge? And they said yeah, no problem at all. So the boost gauge that they had wasn't that they had in stock wasn't suitable. So they re manufactured it and our friends at competition supplies, sorted it out for us. And they made a batch. And they gave one to us. And we had all these lovely six gauges. And we still have five plus the original one, we stuck them in. And they were great, except none of them matched. The new boost gauge is backlit by LEDs and the other ones are backlit by the glowworms that you get in a standard mini Yes, none of the the the none of it matched. As you might imagine, my colleague didn't really like that,

Jayde Deverson :

I probably can share his frustration.

Richard Brunning:

So the decision was taken to essentially we'd remake the faces the bits that you see. So at least they matched. And then we thought well, that's all very well. But with the rest of the mini what we tried to do is make an old Mini perform like a much more modern car and having a dashboard that you can barely see if you you know minis that you want, you know in the dark and it's dark for a lot of time around here. You can't see the gauges you can't see they're crap. So we thought well, we can you know we can we can we can make this better. So, short story long. We've basically made our own gauges, using bits of Smith's gauges, bits of Peugeot gauges, bits of everything else. But what it's meant is that unlike as I say we were very happy with with how we were doing the other stuff because we knew how to do it with this one. We've had to learn Arduino programming, we've had to learn electronics. We've had to learn other stuff now. Lots of people have said well why didn't you just farm this out? This is ridiculous. Why is it taking you eight months? It's absolutely ludicrous. Why did you farm it out? Well, then you wouldn't learn anything.

Jayde Deverson :

And it just moves away from the concept, the whole notion of the show and that, you know, the big powerful lure of the show is that you're not a three episode super restoration overnight success show. It's, it's he's doing it properly it's doing it so that we all get a genuine understanding. And

Lee Gray:

I would argue that people don't want to see it finished anyway.

Jayde Deverson :

if it's fine finishing right book, there'll be tears and you'll you'll be lost for weeks. I will be.

Richard Brunning:

But if this thing we're at the point now where we're we're filming again now we've we've we've got to the point now where we're we're actually we've we think we've sorted it, but so far, imagine the patreons know what we're doing. So what we've done is we've we've developed our own 3d printing to 3d print circuit boards.

Jayde Deverson :

Okay, well,

Richard Brunning:

directly onto fr4 fiberglass using solder as the trace.

Jayde Deverson :

Yeah. Right. Wow. So use your own printhead to thermally 3d print. Yes. Great. Lee, I want you to sort out your 3d printer tomorrow, please. Because

Richard Brunning:

what it means is that if you if we've, if I'll show you how you do it, well, we'll show you how you do it. Yeah. So it means that you're really small scale stuff. If you've got a cheap 3d printer, you could do it.

Lee Gray:

Brilliant. There's a business in its own right.

Richard Brunning:

Yeah. So if you're going for prototyping and for stuff like that for hobby stuff, that's incredible. We're printing at naught point five mil wide at naught point two mil tall

Lee Gray:

wowsers! Okay, they will that's the typical kind of irony, isn't it? Really? So but you're doing it? We're

Richard Brunning:

doing it? No, we're doing it in solder in basically tin.. Right. So we we've developed this over the period. This is why it's taking so bloody long is to actually try and get to perfect this. And that's a flag never seen it. producing it. So flux. Nope. No flux at all. Because no flux given you so

Lee Gray:

great. It's those those quick groups. I love it. It's like make the noise. Last I was watching. If I'm looking tired, it's your fault. Because I got a you know, I've watched all the Binky ones before but I hadn't watched the one with the your um. Citroen. Oh, yes. Yeah, it's

Richard Brunning:

a bargain basement.

Lee Gray:

Yeah. Oh, man, that's so much fun I'm only up to like episode four or five. But it's, it's the little things. It just makes it I just love the whole British humour thing. But you know, you're pulling off the dash and struggling with it. And then it's just this silence is this pause, and there's gorilla! when it's those little things, and they're all the time and it's just, it's so good. I mean, even my wife, you know, not into this kind of stuff. She'll watch it sometimes.

Richard Brunning:

But I love I love the fact that guys like yourselves, have been able to watch this almost with permission because it's got enough for the layman and for the people that aren't really interested in it. Just actually that's quite funny. Really well

Lee Gray:

and it's the vicarious

Jayde Deverson :

it fits in with the whole notion of whether there are two TV shows now about two shows now about motoring, about obsessiveness with with cars classic and modern. That are entertaining shows in their own right, that the subject matter is not necessarily the thing that brings the entire audience and those shows are, Top Gear and Project Binky, my wife will enjoy both shows. I couldn't imagine non car people sitting down and watching an episode of some of the American shows with the with the great clamor and the excitement and the fuss and have three of one episode per car.

Richard Brunning:

Truthfully, that's the reason that this this exists in the way that it does. Because we desperately we we would just as a frustrated by watching those as you were and when we decided to just try something different. We thought well, the only way this will work is if if because we had no idea what we're doing. By the way, when we started we literally had no idea what we were just it was just going to evolve and see what happens. But we desperately knew that we wanted to show the detail. Yep, yep. So the trick was to try and show the detail in a way that still Yeah, entertaining enough to watch for half an hour or so. Yeah.

Lee Gray:

Well, the pace is just if you've perfected it. So much of what we watch and we consume now. It's it's in I mean if you get down to you know tick tock and things like that we're down, you know, 1.5 seconds if you're lucky. Yeah. And it's like it's, I kind of liken it to reading a book, in a lot of ways is that uh, or from my field, listening to vinyl? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that ability to slow down the the whole tea ceremony of the process, and then actually appreciate all of the little intricacies that that go into it. And it's like, I think about last night it's almost like 60s movies. You watch The Italian Job or stuff like that yet and there's these long pregnant pauses sometimes, but it's great because it's that that anticipation and you're not going you know it things coming at you.

Jayde Deverson :

It's the Thomas Crown Affair, the same thing with those the creative long shots and the the beautiful moments of silence where you do get to appreciate the scene and and I think that's exactly get what we're getting when you get the funk out. Speaking of funk, tell us about the funk?

Richard Brunning:

It's another one of those. It's a it's a make the noise thing again. It was I think the first one was in episode three, I think I can't remember. I didn't like was it four was great. Thank you. I can't remember. But that was very well read. No, but there was a it was, it was a way of it was simply a way of trying to show the process of a fabrication or a machining with it. Again, succinct enough for it to be interesting, but long enough for it to show the process. But you can't talk over it all. I haven't got anything to say over there. So how do you

Jayde Deverson :

becoming an anorak? Don't you a bit of a party bore? If you're if you spend four minutes describing how the cutting blade is? The aluminium it's ready. Yeah, you didn't do? And it goes,

Richard Brunning:

No, I'm not adverse to that. I can I can do that with the best of them. But it's it's there was just not going to happen. I couldn't I can't wait. So I thought okay, well, let's have a music montage. Yeah. And again, as a sort of an editor who started this, I've never edited anything in my life before. So So developing my skill set and trying different things. To get the funk out. I was like, you know, a big Extreme fan. So, you know, it's, so one of their songs is Get the Funk Out. And I thought, well, well, Nick gets on with that. I'm going to get the funk out. And trying to pick a funk montage that fits nicely, and then cut the scenes to fit the music and, and it just became a it's almost a trope in its own right now.

Lee Gray:

Yeah, absolutely. So would you have more mainstream stuff? If rights were a thing? We'd have some James Brown and

Richard Brunning:

God Yes. Abso fricken lutely? Because you meet know, why wouldn't Yeah, yeah. Because it's great. Exactly. But we were subscribed to Epidemic Sound who have some terrific stuff out there. And, and we even got, I don't you might have seen if you've, if you've definitely watched it all. One of the one of them features a band. We've seen them on YouTube, and we went that is no, no I beg your pardon. They they contacted me and said, Would you like some of our stuff? Here's our YouTube link. So check it out. And I fell in love with that song that I played. And I forget, they're from Denmark, I think. And, and we said, Yeah, sure. Can we use that one? And they said, Yeah, sure. So I said, well, in return, we'll show you a bit as well on the screen and this and that was kind of nice. But I've we've

Lee Gray:

We've done the same with our show we commissioned as as actually starts with a with a funk track from an Australian band that you'll need.

Richard Brunning:

But I'm, we're both sort of blues rock, mainly. But I do like funk, obviously.

Lee Gray:

The I was gonna ask you a bit more about that. So you mentioned Guns and Roses earlier. That was during your teens, I guess was one of that those formative? I think we're pretty similar in age. You're 46, 45 same as be

Richard Brunning:

47 Yeah, yeah. It was very much you know, big hair bands in the 80s when MTV started to come across as Poison, Rat, Warrant. You know all of those stuff and you sort of my my child listen to Queen and listen to Queen in the car and we sort of grew up with all that sort of stuff. Yeah. Bon Jovi, of course. And, and yeah, we went to see Guns and Roses just few weeks ago in London. Unfortunately, Axel couldn't sing unfortunately. It was it was he wasn't well, so Slash, absolutely held the thing together. He was amazing. We went to Germany in 93 or 94 to see them me and Nick. But so music wise we're very similar but I love I love the blues I love. I love the blues I love Well, anything. See, even as far as like, I have some hip hop and even some classical I grew up. My crazy old headmaster was a as a primary school. He used to make us listen to classical music. And excellent, so I got to love him for that as well. But my my, my main love is blues rock at the moment. Just stick it in the Joe Bonamassa his latest album Time Clocks is absolutely amazing. I'll check it out just something else. I'd love to listen to through some of your speakers. Because they asked Yeah, bring it

Lee Gray:

up. So anytime you're here man

Jayde Deverson :

I think I Binky needs to be Binky Episode 42 episodes down under

Richard Brunning:

Well, we'd like to 42 We were 42 is the number obviously it's not the answer to life, the universe and everything. So we thought we might stop before

Jayde Deverson :

it is. Alright, so that take will have to sign you up for Binky does Australia or around Australia

Richard Brunning:

well we've been invited by Marty who invited us over so we are definitely going to take them up on that

Lee Gray:

wow when that might be seven years time

Richard Brunning:

but yeah sooner rather than later but yes, we're they've invited us over and we've had we've had Alan and woody on from the Skid Factory they've really loved that section when we did with those guys that was so cool to do. To edit and to have that done it was if you didn't so solid I loved it. It was just really nerdy thing to love but I loved doing that. So yeah, hopefully we'll definitely get down on can't wait, we're definitely gonna do that.

Jayde Deverson :

Today's episode is sponsored by us Kyron Audio and Deverson Design.

Lee Gray:

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Lee Gray:

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Jayde Deverson :

And now on with the show. Right we have some great race circuits here. We have a recent construction here is the Tailum Bend Motorsport Park, which is second race longest racing circuit in the world now second only to the Nurburgring Ring Yeah, a very high quality circuit and lots of really good responses from that. What's it called?. Tailem Bend Motorsport Park. Adelaide Hills, that's absolutely the app, you don't need to go to race track. The Adelaide Hills rally, which is been going for about 30 years is normally anywhere to 400 cars that come from all around the world to circuits. Motorsport is very big in Australia, that is in the US. Huge, and the classic movement is just as massive here in Australia. We have more classic cars per head of population than anywhere else in the world if you're in Australian, typically because we haven't been able to afford to buy new cars since 1964.

Richard Brunning:

Yes, yeah, I'm I've no I have a massive love for Australia. Then Nick's got a family. We're about. I have no idea. Yeah. But he does. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that'll place I'm sure you won't. But yes, we are definitely planning to, to bring it over and come and do a tour.

Jayde Deverson :

We'd love to host you in here for a part of it, which would be great. Thank you very much. Now technical. We're so excited. We want to get all of our questions.

Lee Gray:

Ronnie. I was just gonna ask you about your experience experience as a presenter. I mean, did you do anything prior to this because you're ridiculously natural at it. If Binky was your first first time doing it?

Richard Brunning:

No, I didn't have anything i i liked a little bit of theater when I was a kid. I did some that shows a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of theater but but nothing since I left school essentially. But so No, not really no. I, as you can tell, I like talking. And I suppose I've got a face for it too get it's the big the Binky thing when people meet us in real life, so obviously you don't, you don't use your voice over stuff, because it's the way that I try the way that I write the voiceover. It tends to be quite, there's a cadence yet. And there's a there's a difference. And I didn't realize I did it until somebody mentioned it.

Jayde Deverson :

Musician or poet, and you

Richard Brunning:

could be I'm a drummer, so that's not musician, obviously, I'm a drummer.

Lee Gray:

I take offense to that as a percussionist

Richard Brunning:

Who's the guy that hangs out with musicians? Yeah, it's the drummer, drummer. So maybe, maybe that's him to do it. But no, I had no experience whatsoever. Yeah, well,

Jayde Deverson :

I don't know where to go on that one. Now.

Lee Gray:

I think there's a No, I think there's a future career there. I mean, have you ever been approached by others to do presenting or on another TV shows, commercial shows anything like that?

Richard Brunning:

No. I've got some friends in the industry. My friend Chris Polit. lovely bloke. He's car and classic magazine. They do their own YouTube videos and stuff. And we're talking about a little project with him. I went down and helped him out with an Austin A30 getting that. That was that was kind of fun. We shot that a few years ago. But no, no. Which, you know, we we don't As I say, I need an agent.

Lee Gray:

Yeah, you certainly do. I mean, you're I can definitely see it as a it's a commercial appeal. I mean, it's already kicking ridiculous goals, you know, 47 whatever million views. I know that that doesn't lie.

Jayde Deverson :

I mean, I think I wonder though that if you and I wonder if this is true that if you if you do go that commercial route? Is that when is that the when the charisma starts to suffer, for the show, is that I certainly would start to make decisions

Lee Gray:

in account to listen to our show, every show you pick on a accountants,

Richard Brunning:

well, understandably. I quite like I quite like she's lovely.

Lee Gray:

Jayde was really like,

Jayde Deverson :

one of my best friends is an accountant.

Richard Brunning:

That's right. Yeah. We did. Early on, we did get approached by a production company from the states to do something different. And we actually recorded a sizzle tape. I've got it somewhere. But it's no, you the commercial side of it doesn't interest us because people say well, why don't you you know, would you like your own TV show? Well, we've got one.

Jayde Deverson :

probably right better than all of them.

Richard Brunning:

Well, this is the thing you know, when when when a binky video goes out, we get more than the Formula One does live so by some margin in the UK, obviously. So it's it's like I don't why would why why would I like to cede any control over what we do creatively? Because I think we're okay at it creatively. I think we've got it okay. And it'd be nice to have some better it perhaps. It would be nice to to have maybe a better camera too, and some other bits and pieces, but which is phenomenally expensive to do. But but essentially when you know that the first I don't know how many episodes 10 or 11 was shot with a 500 quid, Panasonic HD camera picked up from Curry's on special and a Rode mic, the shotgun mic and then you know, now it's slightly evolved and we've got some Sennheiser lav mics and some other bits and pieces. Because audio is the key to it. Audio is absolutely great when when you're watching a video that you can't hear or it's flawed. It's just extremely frustrating. So we said right from the word go look, you've got to be able to hear it. So audio is key to it but no, I don't think I'd want to see anything I enjoy what we do. And as long as we got the and as we are as long as we can make a living. As long as we can pay the mortgage. You know, we're not here for riches. I don't really care as long as I can look after my family then and go racing sometimes that's that's really all that matters.

Lee Gray:

Is it your full time gig?

Richard Brunning:

It is now Yeah, it wasn't for a long time. Fantastic. Mmm, that's great. And the last the last few months have been somewhat lean because we've we've really, really we're idiots we didn't farm it out. Because we'd have finished it and be lying on a beach in Saint-Tropez somewhere No sitting around endless margaritas from from the toes. Telephone. No,

Lee Gray:

I can't go.

Richard Brunning:

So it's coming back later, this

Jayde Deverson :

is a family show. Toes of a pineapple. Do that look, one thing I wanted to ask you. And you know, we're getting back onto the commercial aspect. You've had some really good results with some sponsors. And you mentioned SIP before, and the Patreon or, you know, I watched the early episodes and, and all the names have come down. And I'd read to see if mine was there. And that was impossible, because I'm too tight and it didn't give you any. And there it and then it went from you'd have each name coming down. You'd scroll them all through. And I thought everyone's going to love that. And then it went to pages, how many Patreons do you have now it must be 10s of that it must be 1000s of 1000s?

Richard Brunning:

Well, it's not, it isn't. Because what happens is that you get I don't know what they call it, but you with Patreon, you can, you can pledge a certain amount as a maximum. So when you get to that amount it drops off. Or you can do one you can do two, it doesn't matter. But what we decided to do was not drop anybody off. Went from the beginning. So so it's a cumulative total of everybody who's ever done it that not necessarily is now

Jayde Deverson :

better. That's still a huge number. There must be 10s of 1000s.

Richard Brunning:

So it's about 4000. Just over 4000 as a moment. So current, current peple. But it's but you're right, it's 10s of 1000s over probably tell you next I would think

Jayde Deverson :

seven years. Yeah. And the other one your your other great friend of the show Edd China.

Richard Brunning:

Oh, Edd? Crikey. Yeah, I was just talking to Edd a friend of mine. Just down the road. We were walking the girls to school. He I met him with my old job. I met him and Mike they were recording Wheeler Wheeler dealers with a Scirocco. Okay at a go kart track I worked at and I met them there. And I contacted Edd a year or so later. Because Nick and I sat down why wouldn't it be fun? If we could get Edd China to come and sweep the floor? I said there's no way. I said, but I'm willing to give it a go. So I contacted him through Twitter, I think yeah. And anyway, we got we got so he remembered me from from, from the go kart track from Daytona and we got talking and he came up with his wife Imogen. And he absolutely threw himself into it. And we had a fabulous day because he's such a top bloke top top. I can't tell you how lovely he is. I don't like we've been friends ever since.

Jayde Deverson :

So is he he gave you some advice. He just ordered he just came and swept the floors.

Richard Brunning:

We talked about oh, everything metaphysical stuff. Yeah. I mean, you know, the universe life and everything. He's a deeply deeply intelligent bloke. And it does love a cup of tea. But yeah, we've been we've been friends ever since. And a we've been talking about actually, he's, he's been on to ask for advice about his YouTube channel because he was used to having it's the production company. So, of course, so when it came to his own, he was at a loss. But of course, we'd got a bit of a head start on that sort of stuff. But of course, he got a head start on the name. He said China fried. Yeah. So So yeah, we've got to get on that. And hopefully we gave him a few a few tips and what have you but yeah, we keep meaning to go down and shoot some stuff with him as well then at his place. That would

Jayde Deverson :

be that'd be very interesting. I think the the there's an awful lot of publicity about the break up the show. But I think it's it's great to see he's got the new show and his workshop. And he's a bit of a Range Rover fan, which I quite a bit quite appreciate. So

Lee Gray:

I want to ask, escargot fans out there screaming? Yeah. Is there any news on that one?

Richard Brunning:

Yes. And no. I mean, we took the decision to concentrate on the mini with regard with to the detriment of absolutely everything else we've got in the shed, in as much as we still don't have an office or a toilet or anything because we've got all the kit or the heater , we bought a heater, a big massive heater to heat the shed this time last year and it's still not up because we've just spent every waking moment tearing our hair and but the escargot is sitting there laughing at us every time we walk in there.

Lee Gray:

Yes, that's a massive project isn't.

Richard Brunning:

It is huge. And since then it's got even bigger because we're totally like, Oh God, I can't even begin to tell you how ridiculous it is. But we've been collecting, you know, we've put two different axes underneath it if you've watched the first couple of episodes, because we're putting the daft running gear on it. Well, we've got another axle, obviously, because you know, air suspension so that's the next thing we're gonna put air suspension on the on the back. So we've got another axel. We chopped

Lee Gray:

video I'm sorry, this interrupt Could you give an overarching just for those who don't haven't watched the show, maybe of what escargot is what the plan is

Richard Brunning:

for. The Escargot was it in 1985, Ford cargo ex-library bus, seven a half ton capacity 30 foot long with a 26 foot body or something. So it's colossal. And it's essentially going to be home away from home with car storage in it. So we can take the rally car or the race car, or Binky or whatever. In the back, and have essentially a hotel room with a shower and toilet. Or stuff. bunks and for all of us, including the kids. So that's the plan.

Lee Gray:

No doubt with Nick's attention to detail. It's going to be crazy.

Richard Brunning:

Oh my god, you don't know the half of it. And if I was going to tell you to think you'd vote you tell us we were mad. You probably already realized that. But yes, it is. But yes, where we've got some again, we've got some fantastic sponsors on that. A company called energy solutions in the UK there, Victron agents, and they're really big on the off grid stuff. Right. And they've come on board and they've supplied us with some terrific lithium batteries, inverters, so we're going to be full on off grid. Like it's great, brilliant. It's going amazing.

Jayde Deverson :

Brilliant stuff. So it's the campervan with the towing capacity and the and the carrying capacity.

Richard Brunning:

Yes, that's right.

Lee Gray:

Well, I think I'm I've exhausted my my list. I'm just such a fanboy. I would I would chew your ear off. But I know I know you've got twins to get back to

Richard Brunning:

They're at school. So it's fine. It's fine to 11 in the morning here, so I'm fine.

Jayde Deverson :

So what is the future then for? Firstly, Project Binky comes to a close that's finished. Escargot comes to close, you've got that done. Bad obsession motorsport going to have another project vehicle there somewhere.

Richard Brunning:

If you saw the shed, then you'd realize that we have more projects already in the shed then we've got life left, right

Jayde Deverson :

sounds like my garage.

Richard Brunning:

There's the there's the there's the Rover, or what we call the Rover which is the MG x power shell that we bought for. Because it was there. And it was carbon fiber and it was there was one of 82, 84 can't remember, there's not many but we've got one of them. So we're still collecting bits on that. That's definitely going to go ahead because we want to do it the rally the next project or changes from week to week because we always want to do something different so we've got the the MG we've got the rally car we want to go back rallying again but that might not end up being Peugeot there might be something else we've got a little plan for we've got there's a lovely old vehicle upstairs. In fact, there's two or three upstairs. There's an Anglia right, we need to put together there's there's a there's an old Oh, Datsun that needs putting together there's some we've got some lovely stuff. So we've got enough projects as it is but we always look we're always on the lookout for more because you know, you can't help yourself.

Jayde Deverson :

Did you want to go back and stay with the classic themes such with the with the Anglia or did you want to focus on something that's more modern as your as the newer the post, post Chrome and stainless era?

Richard Brunning:

Um, well, I don't know. Modern as in I don't

Jayde Deverson :

74 times modern really post 7074 When we started like modern cars very much to lose all the Chrome, we started to lose all the we went to big big on emission controls we a lot of electronics, a lot of velour started to enter the scene.

Richard Brunning:

I like a bit of those underrated as

Jayde Deverson :

well. That's it. I think I should change the subject now because it's starting to make me feel a bit queasy. maroon maroon velour?

Richard Brunning:

Come on, you know, it in a Mercedes like a 230 or something like that. The maroon but

Lee Gray:

no, I was gonna ask, I want to ask you about the YouTube side of things with, with with trolls. How do you how do you go about that? Do you just ignore that?

Richard Brunning:

There's, there's, it depends on how I'm feeling. Okay? It's awfully easy. And anybody with a YouTube channel will tell you this because I think it happens to everybody that that certainly got an a reasonable standing at a reasonable amount of views, you get people who just delight in needling you. And you either just ignore them, which is the most sensible thing to do, because it's so easy to ignore all the 1000s of lovely, lovely comments that we get and focus on the half dozen or so that just are unnecessary. So the right thing to do is completely ignore them because they're idiots. They've got nothing better to do then then then try and belittle something that other people enjoy. I tend to try and give it back to them and engage them and just, you know, not all the time.

Jayde Deverson :

It sounds like sport to me. I think it can be

Richard Brunning:

and it's like an often what will happen is they'll get all Billy big bollocks when they're on the on the keyboard. Yes. And then when they get me coming back to them, they're like, oh, no, so I didn't really like that. No, what I really mean I'm a nice No, thanks very much. No, it's Well, I appreciate you come back to me on that. Yeah, no, no, I didn't think of it like that. Yeah. Yeah, that's what happens, isn't it when they get older?

Lee Gray:

Do you find your your fans your fans would just stick up for you most of the time, though. It's completely

Richard Brunning:

self belief. Yeah, I basically do need to do nothing. Because I'm genuinely our fans are the best. We meet them all the time. And they just so interested and so lovely. And they're so involved in it. And they know even more than we do about it. Because once we once episode 28 is gone out, I basically forgotten it. I'm on to the next one. And they watch the three or four times. yeah, yep. Yeah, yeah. So they really are

Jayde Deverson :

If not, fab. I just I can't I can't begin to tell you how lovely it is when you get those comments to come through and and and, and people like yourselves who took take an interest it's like this. This is insane. This is insane. I can't believe it. Even though 10 years later and it's it just doesn't stop. It there is just it is so relevant to so current it is so it the fact that you you've taken it know what year is the is the mini

Richard Brunning:

1980 1942 years, right? 1980 Okay, it's nearly as old as me.

Lee Gray:

I have a 69 Mini K. Have you heard of the Mini K in

Richard Brunning:

no need

Lee Gray:

to change you know, it's just the case don't

Jayde Deverson :

look, I think it might be a might be a is a furphy the Mini K was bought out was they built a range just for the Australian market and complete knockdown kits. But one thing they did do for the Australian market for the Australian police force. There's the New South Wales Police Force oredered. The very last 12 some five GTS as police pursue cars. The very last 12 seven five GTS came to Australia's as police cars and just rockets shooting down the freeway with at the time very lax speed limits. You could sit on the tail of a of a of a falcon GT H O phase three doing 144 miles per hour. And then by the time when to take a corner you'd be on top of it. Yeah, that's

Lee Gray:

Yeah. What was that New Zealand film? There was a fantastic New Zealand film from like the 80s or something. And there's a police chase between the Kingswood in the mini Do you remember that one? That was called that's a real cult classic

Jayde Deverson :

we might have to do and cult classic movie video tasks tales from the top and I didn't do there you go

Richard Brunning:

the stuff that nobody's seen that cult that nobody's ever seen them

Jayde Deverson :

cult show because we've only got three. And Richard you're the third one.

Richard Brunning:

growing them you Are you fit? Well, there's one that there's one thing that I loved about being a as what's the word I'm looking for? is known as we are when we did bargain basement, you've watched the Citroen series. You've watched the Citroen series. I had not the the idea behind that was okay. The beginning of it all about sim racing was just a conceit for us to to go racing really. But but essentially it's true. But we got such good. We got such good help from the BRCC. They've totally bought into they knew they knew what we were about. They'd seen Blinky this, let me know they totally bought into what was going on. And because of that series that my, my love for motor racing on an Nick's love for motor racing is such that anything we can do to help people get into motor racing and to demystify going racing, which is why when you watch the series, we didn't hide any costs at all, everything was everything that we spent into everything that was not necessarily what we spent, but everything that would have cost that had you done it was in there, the racing gear, everything that the the license fees, the entry fees, the tie everything. So when you went to your wife and said, Look, I need 8 grand go race. But it's not going to cost us any more. Because here is evidence, you know, that's the proof when we went

Jayde Deverson :

it's all here at 20. And the paint,

Richard Brunning:

exactly 2020. So that was the crazy mad lockdown thing. 2021 was the first year of the actual series. And When Nick and I went to the first round at Donington Park, as guests of the BRCC they were 38 cars on the grid. Yeah. And we walked through the paddock and everybody went, This is your fault, Bunny. This is your fault. And that is exactly what I wanted.

Jayde Deverson :

That's brilliant. And so do you do more philanthropic stuff because I think that the car was tell us what happened with the car at the end of it is I've seen to think through to the to the end.

Richard Brunning:

Well, the plan. The original plan was for the car to be raced at the race of remembrance in November 2020. And we were going to give it to Mission motorsports one of our very favorite charities and friends of ours for them to raise the following year. Now, because of the mad COVID nutbag, completely insanity that is Welsh decided to close down again in November, so the race didn't go ahead. So so what we did is we went down to about excitement, wasn't it? We went down to Thruxton, to give the car to mission motorsport at their race of their remembrance service instead. So we gave we gave that away to charity. And then the following year, they invited us back to race it so last November, we went to Anglesey to actually to do the race of remembrance in the car with with some select service personnel and somebody who paid to be with us. And it was completely It was absolutely amazing. What an event

Jayde Deverson :

that there must have given you quite a thrill, the philanthropic aspect of it. Is there more that you do with with Mission motorsport? More that you'd like to do? And yeah, we've,

Richard Brunning:

we've done, we've we've produced some videos for them. We've we in the background, it's always bubbling along. And so yeah, we've got some more plans to do stuff with them. They are, they're a wonderful charity with wonderful people. And Jim Cameron, who's, who's the boss of mission motorsport. He's a proper hero . And he loves his motor racing. So he's got, he's got two Porsches, two old 70s Porsches, and a 19 hang on was 100 years old. So it's 1921 Dodge town car sitting in his garage. So we've got some some interesting stories. We've, you might have seen some of the Beeline classics videos we've done as well with Ben who's been following.

Lee Gray:

Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. How come you've chosen not to be interviewing them on the show? We've got to remove yourself from it, because

Richard Brunning:

everybody has that. And what we wanted to do is let the car and the person tell the story. Yeah. So we want to do it very slow. Because petrolicious and car fiction and all that sort of stuff. They get involved and all I just do is I just introduce it. And the rest is done by the car and the person. So it's quite hard to find the stories because it's easy enough if it was me talking about something because you know, I can do that. But to find the right like people in the right car is not that straightforward. So there's not many of them but they're all coming. But we love doing them because the it's just a really cool thing.

Lee Gray:

I've been watching just watch the imposter one that was great,

Richard Brunning:

but cooler, isn't it? Yeah, really nice bloke,

Jayde Deverson :

I can see that evolving, that's pretty much like the petrolicious style in that it's, it takes the third person out of it. The third person is obviously sitting opposite the guest having the questions having the conversation and you're capturing their responses. And it gives us some it gives it some some passion, it gives it some depth, and it takes all the recording out of it. Sorry that or the scripting out of it. And I think that's where what you've done has a an artistic, it's almost cinema, art cinema, and celebrating the art of the car and the passion and just doing it and not having not having all of the distractions around it that you might get from otherwise from a normal interview.

Richard Brunning:

Well, again, it's doing something slightly differently. So with with with the way that we do the project stuff, it's very slightly different to other people doing well. The way that we wanted to shoot the classics was was slightly different other people were doing it we're trying to give the give space for that to breathe and for, for the car and the people to be the story and not the interviewer. Which is why I have very little to do with that.

Jayde Deverson :

It looks great. It's

Lee Gray:

Do you have a few few more of those lined up?

Richard Brunning:

We do? Yeah, yeah. We've got a couple of racing videos coming as well. I raced the BMW 1 series back in May. And we've got that coming up soon. Snetterton, that's a that's BRSCC's new car that they want to develop. We've been helping them develop that car are supposed to be racing it this Sunday, but they benched me for somebody who wants to buy one instead. So that was really annoying. So that's somewhat erksome.

Lee Gray:

It certainly does look like a crazy cheap racing the the little Citroen when you think you're doing the rear brakes when I was watching the last one and it was like 40 pound or something for replacing the entire brake assembly?

Richard Brunning:

Well, you gotta bear in mind that the Citroen C1 the Peugeot 107 and the Toyota Igo are all the same car. So there are literally gazillions of them everywhere. So so from a from from that point of view, the parts are like dirt cheap. Dirt. Yeah.

Lee Gray:

That's exactly what you need in a in a successful race series.

Jayde Deverson :

race series here in Australia with the was the high end a race series using the I can't remember the model. I told him that I think it's the Excel, something like that. I'm not a big modern car person if it's if it's sort of pre 74 It's about my cutoff for for the sort of stuff I'm interested in and and that's a really great race series is exactly the same thing. It was you grabbed something that is if if something breaks, simply walking around the back streets of the ordinary suburbs for about 10 minutes will yield all the spare parts lying in the gutter waiting to be picked up by the dustman. So there's plenty of there's plenty of stuff around for those.

Richard Brunning:

We've lost Lee. Wow,

Jayde Deverson :

well, I'm lost without Lee. He's not your pimp is he. Tell me well, whilst we're waiting for the lead to come back. Kids in motorsport. A good thing?

Richard Brunning:

In what sense

Jayde Deverson :

kids into motorsport in an early age, whether it's karting and they're helping to adjust them culturally and socially. giving them something new. Something else to focus on that doesn't include a screen and buttons.

Richard Brunning:

Gosh, yes. Almost. Almost anything really that doesn't involve a screen and buttons. It quite frankly. But it's if you're into horses, you'll take a horse to if you're into sailing, you'll you'll take them on. If you're into football, you'll you'll do the football thing but but motor racing. It's quite a social thing. And like, I don't know whether this is true of other persuits, but I do find that the people around motor racing are a certain type. And they can be they they're very welcoming. Generally speaking. They're extraordinarily helpful if people are in trouble. If there's a crash, if it's they'll just rally around and they'll get it done. And it doesn't matter. My son, so the teamwork, but also the colossal amount of ribbing, and banter and stuff that goes around. And I think that's important for the for kids to see, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're being nasty.

Jayde Deverson :

It's pretty much the same good natured banter of, of inter, inter relationships. And

Richard Brunning:

so you're totally more the merrier. So, you know, but it is, it's one of those things that especially my kids are seven, as I say, so they get bored quite easily. So spending a whole day at a racetrack for daddy to do 20 minutes here and 20 minutes there can be quite boring. So maybe, you know, we're just trying to ease them into it. Yeah,

Jayde Deverson :

I think that's, that's a great way to go. I think that the there are many programs around Australia. And, and I know in the US as well, that incorporate get young kids into motorsport, to give them a an understanding of, of handling motor racing, social inclusion, and with partly with a view to help them to negotiate the roads when they get their driving licenses.

Richard Brunning:

Well, it's one of those things when I was I was I've been racing, I've been very lucky, been very, very lucky to have been racing since I was 12. So it's, it's one of those things that I've never felt the need necessarily to go crazy on the road because my outlet was always the racetrack. Now. I know. That's extremely, you know, that's, that's unusual. I'm very, very lucky to get that. But at the same time, you know, it's definitely meant that I didn't, I was a safer road driver because of it. Okay, Where abouts are you guys, by the way?

Lee Gray:

I mean, I'm in Adelaide,

Jayde Deverson :

I'm, in Adelaide up in the hills. So you're not to sort of 15 minutes apart. And I think now you're at some distance away from Nick, I believe. Is that right?

Richard Brunning:

Yeah, I'm sat in my, my office in my house in Bedfordshire. And the shed. And Nick is 120 miles west northwest of here. It's a long drive every morning. It's not every morning, so on. And so the way that works is I go up on a Monday morning, and I come back, I was staying two nights, right. And leave her leave Sara with the kids for a couple of nights and then come back on a Wednesday night. So so I spend three days throughout the shed working on the on the bits and pieces and then a couple of days editing and doing all the business stuff back here. Which which is that's my work life

Jayde Deverson :

sounds like a fairly grand life. It look, Richard, it's been absolutely thrilling having you on Tales from the top. We really appreciate your time. And we'd love to have you back again. On another occasion. If you have any big announcements you want to make or anything want to tell us about before we before we finish for the day?

Richard Brunning:

We announcements, I'd love to be able to tell you when the next episode is going to be.

Jayde Deverson :

I've deliberately not asked you that question.

Richard Brunning:

Thank you very much. I appreciate that. But I did notice that I have absolutely no. We are working on it though. I promise. It's we have not been. We have not been. You've not been slacking. It's been extremely frustrating for us as it has been for everybody else and I genuinely get it. I do. We're at the historic rally festival in Telford in October 15 and 16th. That's gonna be kind of fun. We're supposed to be going to this weekend, but we're not. And other than that, I can't I haven't got anything. I'm afraid. I'm a bit rubbish. So

Jayde Deverson :

look, we'll forgive you. It's been it's been a long, it's been a long episode. So for those people who those of our listeners who have not seen the show, if you could just tell us the the address that they where they can find out more about the show where they can start watching episodes.

Richard Brunning:

Well, I suppose the first port of call is our website, badobsessionmotorsport.co.uk. But the all the shows are on YouTube and just search badobsessionmotorsport or Project Binky. You'll find us there. Start at Episode One and binge I guess that's probably but I can't watch the first few episodes because they are awful. But they do get better.

Jayde Deverson :

No, I understand. Richard Brunning, thank you so much for joining us and please pass our very best on to Nick when you see him from the top. Or to talking to you again real soon.

Lee Gray:

I look forward to having you down in Australia.

Richard Brunning:

Yes, I can't wait to come and and thank you both for inviting me and I've enjoyed it very much. Thanks very much.

Lee Gray:

Thanks, Richard. You take care Okay,

Richard Brunning:

Ok, all the best.

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